|Baba Ago with the GDA|
Jubilee exclusive (We earlier ran Part 1& Part 2 on this blog) with great
man of God, Prophet (Dr.) Titus Adeniyi
Jegede, founder of Christ Apostolic
Church, Ago Adura Nla Ti Gbogbo
Eniyan, the man of God came out strong with his rebuke for men of God in
today’s society who have turned the vineyard of God into a money-minting
enterprise, sucking dry their congregants on all sides. Baba Ago describes them as men who are not Christ-like in nature
because they lack mercy. The founder of the Ago Adura Nla Ti Gbogbo Eniyan
whose church will be celebrating her Silver jubilee anniversary this Sunday,
April 24th in Lagos equally gave his mind on the crisis of
reputation rocking the Christian
Association of Nigeria (CAN), Christ
Apostolic Church (CAC) and spoke on the four things that can ruin the
calling of a man of God. The Ilesha-Osun
State born seer equally gave President
Muhammad Buhari a Yuan advice. Let’s read on Africa’s Number 1 Celebrity
Encounter blog, Asabeafrika. Enjoy!
|Prophet (Dr.) T.A. Jegede to Asabeafrika…’Men of God who tax their congregation beside tithe are not Christlike’|
Your church Ago Adura seems to cater
for the poor, sir, what is your opinion on Capitalists Pastors who use both
tithes and offerings given to them by worshipers to build schools and other
investments that does not benefits the lives of their members?
only way you will know that those whom God anointed for the solution of
people’s problems are not many. If you have been following my ministry you will
see that we don’t promote capitalist Christian policies here, I once sponsored
some people who wanted to earn doctorate degree in theology. I sponsored and
paid for their scholarship because I knew they couldn’t afford the cost of
study and they were many. So, that is how God send us, it is not about
snatching wealth off people. God anointed me under a spirit of mercy. There are
some people if they bring sick people here or they bring mad people for
deliverance, I will even give them food from my pocket because the person that
brought the mad person has spent a fortune and is broke; so, I will spend for
the sick and ill, I will give them food till they are okay and leave. That is
how God has sent me. But for me to now establish schools and people can’t send
their children to such schools because of the cost of payment, I don’t think
that is good enough for a Christian. Yes, they are looking for money but my own
God is a merciful God. He didn’t send me with such assignment. Even go and look
at my prayer books, the costliest one among my publication is N200. Everything
I charge on my literatures is to be able to even re-print more and keeps that
aspect of the ministry going if not; I would have even made it free. If I pray for you and you are blessed, you
can give me money offering, I will take because I will pray for you and you
will get victory. Maybe you are being owed money for a long time, you will get
your money and you will bring your tithe here that is my own gratification.
|Prophet (Dr.) T.A. Jegede to Asabeafrika…’President Buhari must keep secrets from his aides and do what his mind tells him’|
of God should do with it, because a lot of people got tithes only to buy
private jets and build expensive schools, what is the real objective of tithe
in the church?
simply for the development of the church; here I don’t like to say ‘go and
bring money or you bring thirty or forty thousand’ no, it is from the tithe
everyone pays that we run the affairs of the church, that is what I used to
build this cathedral (His Ile-Epo Cathedral where the
interview took place), I didn’t ask congregants to sponsor any project, I used
tithes to erect this structure, go and find out. Even at Eruku where I am now
which is now Head Quarter, near Abeokuta,
I built it with tithe and free offering. It is what my congregation gives me as
their priest that I use, I have faith in the efficacy of tithe, I don’t disturb
my congregants. At times, I can even say I want to cook for everybody (Luke
6:30-34) the moment I have the money I will cook for all. So, I don’t believe
in putting people under the yoke of economic pressure in the name of serving
didn’t ask congregants to sponsor any project, I used tithes to erect this
structure, go and find out. Even at Eruku
where I am now which is now Head Quarter,
near Abeokuta, I built it with tithe
and free offering. It is what my congregation gives me as their priest that I
use; I have faith in the efficacy of tithe. I don’t disturb my congregants”
arbitrarily are not merciful…
rise up and make covenant payment of N1million each, some N2million and all
sorts of monies until they get both the highest and lowest denomination?
Those ones are not genuine men of God, just watch their life pattern and you
will be able to deduce what they stand for. You see Jesus Christ, the ministry of Jesus
Christ in the Bible, if you read it thoroughly; it is a ministry of mercy. Jesus is a genuine merciful father. He
does not want pain for anybody, His own is mercy and possibilities. Don’t fight
people, don’t disturb people, and don’t make life difficult for people. Those
are the qualities of Jesus Christ
and those are the qualities of any good Christian leader in the vineyard. It is
as simple as that. By their fruits you shall know them.
|The GDA by Baba Ago’s official Car|
speak to some of these fraudulent pastors, what will you tell them to do?
just ask them is this ‘Can that humongous
wealth take you to the kingdom of God?’ that is my question. Can God write
it in His book that they did well with this kind of Christianity? These monies
they are asking for, is that the greatness of ministerial work? Or that the
people should turn away from their iniquities and be saved? An armed robber who
decided to stop robbing after listening to your sermon is the greatest joy of a
dedicated minister of God, you can ask for all the monies in the world and a
419 or armed robbers will even give you more money and because you are blind by
your desires you won’t be able to tell the 419 and the armed robber the truth.
|Front view of Ago Adura Nla Church|
Pastor in Oregun area of Lagos state will always collect N1000 each from his
congregant every 31st of December before they can be allowed in, is that
Nigerians, may God let us know the truth because a lot of Nigerians don’t even
want to hear the truth. If the preacher is saying the truth, some people will
get so angry but once you can lie to them, they will be happy. But as for me,
since the day God called me, I said truth will be it. Anyone that will stay
should stay and anyone that wants to leave should leave. Truth is sacred and
that is what God send me to declare. Declare truth and truth will set you free.
|The GDA display a poster of the 25th anniversary behind Baba Ago’s official car|
of your popularity?
when the star of Jesus appeared and
the three wise men went in search of it. If your calling is clear, the wise
ones, the educated ones and the intelligent ones of this world will seek you.
If you say you are in a secret society, and you see Baba Ago, you will know God is light and that truly He sent me to
do His work. And if I write a prayer book and I start declaring those prophetic
prayers, no matter how intelligent you are; there is no herbalist or seer that
want to pass, he must pass through my word before he can get his miracle.
Because it is the Bible that put together all words and I am now putting them
together in my book in our own native language in Nigeria, for mass readership
and this is the reason a lot of people buy my prayer book to pray with and
share for gospel work. The book is not an ordinary book, it gives miracle. Some
people sleep with it and they get their miracle, some will read it in water to
drink and bath and they get their miracle healing. In fact, Muslims are the
ones who come here most. You will see a lot of them with their head tie, they
came to pray.
to pray because the calling is of God. Alhajis
will come, Alhajas will come, even
members of Celestial Church will
come and we will pray and call God to heal and intervene in their matter.
Everybody will come; I don’t discriminate because the work God gave me is not
just for Christians alone; it is for the whole world.
(Dr.) T. A. Jegede to Asabeafrika…’Rich men who brought wealth into
the church are the bane of the multi-pastoralist wars in the churches’
I said I am going to ask you this;
you are one Man of God who does not put his wife’s picture with his on crusade
posters? Why, because a lot of men of God these days will put their wives pictures
with theirs in any program bulletin and poster?
them die same day? That is the question you should ask such a pastor when you
see such. Ask him that ‘Sir, if you want
to die, can you take your wife along?’
is it the same calling God gave them? It is he who God calls that He calls
nobody shares a divine mandate with the bearer. Leave your wife and children
out of church affairs; your wife can cook your food for you and take care of
the home front but when it comes to gospel work, there are categories of gospel
works a woman can do if you don’t want to put yourself in trouble.
God who add juju (Charm) to their callings, some buried live human beings under
their church building and some even buried babies on their altars; what do you
have for them?
anybody who dies, we on this planet earth cannot see him weather he is in hell
or heaven, we can’t contact such people again but the good thing is that those
on earth should stand on the truth. Don’t add juju to your calling.
Stay at the level of your anointing; don’t add any funny thing to your
anointing. What God did not ask you to unravel, don’t force yourself to unravel
it. Some men of God are given the grace of one talent but they want to multiply
the talent and in doing that they now go after herbalists or sorcerers to make
charms for them, that is totally out of it.
in the newspapers that a man of God is caught for Juju or ritual scandal, how
do you feel as a man of God?
Bible has already said it, that we will always have people like that in the
community of Christians. We will always see them, we can’t do without seeing
such because majority of these pastors are not called. They only decided to
invest in church business as business. So, in taking it as business they can
use anything, they can use Juju, they can kill people and they
are good in fornication. Some Pastors have six concubines with their wives. We
have such people who are famous with big-big churches here and there. But if
you are watching him on Youtube, you will think he is a good
man. So, such stealthy personalities will always be around but he who God sent
should always stand with God.
“You see Jesus Christ, the ministry of Jesus
Christ in the Bible, if you read it thoroughly; it is a ministry of mercy. Jesus is a genuine merciful father. He
does not want pain for anybody, His own is mercy and possibilities. Don’t fight
people, don’t disturb people, and don’t make life difficult for people”
(Dr.) T. A. Jegede to Asabeafrika…’At Ago Nla, we believe in the
power and eficacy of the Psalms because it aide prayers to acceptance’
Why CAC crisis cannot stop…
one great Church that has given birth to many families which Ago Adura is one of them. But one unfortunate
scenario with the church is the fact that the church is presently divided into
two factions, sir, what do you think is responsible for this and how do we
solve the crisis?
for all these fights is one, money. The second one is position. Everyone wants
to hold the position of authority; that is all. If you say you want to
eradicate all these, it could be difficult. I told them like 8 years ago, that
this fight can never end. That was before our faction’s president, Ogunlade died. I said the end of the
rift might come but you elders should pray that it should happen in your life
time because you can’t appease death. I said all the elders will die; they
won’t get to Canaan Land because
they are full of mistrust for each other which mean this man does not want to
stoop low and the other man wants to be in position of authority. So, even if
the fight ends, they will be looking for whom to make the head because the
fundamentals have gone wrong. There is war and mistrust in the leadership cadre
of the church and no good leadership can come out of mistrust; except God takes
all these elders away and we now have a cream of young people that will get to
multi-pastoralist tendencies can stop in the church, what is your own strategy
in Ago Adura?
brother, my aides here will testify to it; I send away like 5 pastors sometimes
ago. After that episode, I sent away another set of 5 pastors when I saw this
kind of thing (Beef for Power) rearing among my pastors. Secondly, I also sent away all my elders, why?
They will destabilize the church. What really fuels this kind of crisis in the
church is when these people see rich men, they will start to run after them and
the rich man does not know anything, the rich man is driven by the craze of his
money, rich men will always think money is the ultimate and that is why these
elders keep running after them, and because the church now derails a bit by
appointing these rich people as Baba Ijo,
as elders, as Pastors etc; except the church stop these nonsense and consult
the Holy Spirit to give direction on who to appoint to position of authority.
That is the only way multi-pastoralist tendency can stop in the church.
learnt in 25 years of running a big church like Ago Adura?
one is ‘don’t be proud’. Anyone that wants to lead a tribe of people should
humble himself because of the needy ones. A church leader must not be arrogant,
don’t start creating some ambiguous budgets that ‘oh, you want to build some
big cathedrals or you want to organize an event that does not tally with
people’s challenges’. Don’t say ‘Oh, we
need hundred million naira to do this and that’ always say ‘If God permits’. Don’t go and be borrowing money
to do God’s work. A shepherd is there to
guide his sheep not to hurt or milk them. Imagine someone like me who relates
with the poor people now saying I want to start using a Private jet, it can’t
be possible. Let us be moderate in whatever we do, if it is water we can afford
to drink during an event, let us drink the water, we don’t have money for
minerals. That is how I behave. If I want to buy a car worth N7million, I will
say ‘please get me a second hand value’.
I will say ‘I can’t buy the brand new because the money for this brand
new can buy two’ except you buy the car yourself and give it to me. But for
me to dip hand in church’s purse and go buy one exotic car, no, no, no. That is
“Yes, because if they do small Juju today, tomorrow they want to do a
bigger version of the Juju and that
is the beginning of getting addicted to Juju
and from there their calling will be destroyed by the devil”.
|Baba Ago to Asabeafrika…’I dont need a Private jet because that is not the immediate need of my congregation’|
I don’t want a Private Jet…
would you now reject it?
taking the private jet to? Where am I parking it?
airport and pay for the space?
want to be doing with it at the airport? My brother, an aero plane is not important to me. It is not a priority; my
ministry caters for a whole lot of people. If you bring money that is ok but aero plane is not important to us; in
fact, it is a vehicle of arrogance.
anyone that is adept with praying, he must be familiar with the Bible from
Genesis to Revelation. There is no verse we can’t use to pray, I cannot say
this is my favorite verse in the Bible because I have interpreted the entire
Bible from the beginning to the end. That is it.
reading of Psalms, what is the secret of praying with Psalm?
conglomerate of covenant words written by spiritual people who lived in times
past. Majority of them wrote it under various divine influences, some under
condition of poverty while some wrote theirs under the atmosphere of praise.
The words used in writing those lines are so powerful in today’s world. That is
the reason why Psalm is so powerful. It is the word of God and those who wrote
Psalms wrote it under serious conditions. If you read it, it drives away evil spirit
and we encourage Christians to use Psalms to support their prayer life because
those words are covenant words.
Christian Association of Nigeria (CAN) was seen to have supported the
ex-President Goodluck Jonathan and in the course of doing that, the leadership
of CAN became partisan and lost her reputation. What is your advice for
tell CAN is that they should stand on the dictates of the Holy Spirit, ‘this is
what God says’ is the most powerful weapon of Christianity. The Holy Spirit is
the real messenger of God not the physical body. If God did not manifest
through the Holy Spirit, they should not manifest or prophesy it. But some
people didn’t see anything, yet they want the politicians to believe that they
saw. Some even went to collect money behind. So, all I can advise CAN
leadership is to forego all acts of fraud and manipulation. They should be holy
because our Lord, the one who send us is holy.
anyone that is doing the kind of job I am doing can only have one role model
which is Jesus Christ our Lord. You
must not say this person is my father, no. There is nothing like that in the
Bible; anyone called a prophet, we don’t believe somebody is bigger than us or
carry your bag and follow you behind, never! We don’t prostrate for people; a
real prophet does not wear cap. If I am in front of a king I must not prostrate
for the king. I will say ‘Kabiyesi’ and he will return the greeting, that’s
all. So, will I now say someone is my role model? No; no one called me but the
living God. I don’t have any master but God. I don’t have any role model but Jesus Christ.
what is going to be your advice to him on how to run this great nation;
especially as regards the bad economic situation?
|The GDA meets Prophet (Dr.) Titus Adeniyi Jegede aka Baba Ago|
My advise is
that President Buhari should not
trust those that are around him, he should be wary of them, that thing that
thing that is inside him, that he wants to do, he should continue with his
gesture. He should also be wary of those who predict, but he should ask for the
truthful ones. There are many truthful people in the country who can give him
genuine advise and direction on where and how to go about his life. People who
can help him with prayers; the first thing, is for him not to trust those he
has around him so that they won’t destroy his government. Among the people he
has in his government, those who can destroy his government are there; people
who don’t want things to work well for him. He should be careful with his aides
and ministers; that is all I can say to him.
prophecies, why are you not doing so?
some people want to be known; that is the strategy. But for me, it is God that
sent me and it is only God that can promote my ministry.
you are even talking in the last one decade, why are you scarce?
know me, if I stand before them; there is nothing I can’t do with prayer but
for me to be showing myself in the public, never. I don’t believe in it, God
called me and He alone can exhibit my talent. Yes, there are people who predict
and forecast that one is different from revelation. There is a difference between
revelation and prediction. Some people will just look at the trend and after
studying the trend very well; they will predict and give a forecast. But
revelation is “Thus says the Lord of
host”. So, those who are predicting are only forecasting and that is why
you won’t see it come to pass.
|The Right Wing of the Ago Adura Nla Cathedral|
Ah, ah! You
see, there are lots of secrets with a Prophet. I don’t have a particular daily
routine. I can just wake up by 2am
and the day has broken for me. I can also stand up by 3am and that is it. You know all the Prayer books I write are done
under divine inspiration; it could come in the middle of the night. I can even
put off the entire light and just light on the charger to write it. Even if the
fan is making noise, I will put it off that is why you can’t see any air
condition in my office, I dislike it. So, I don’t have a daily routine. Even
here in the church you can’t find me in the office, because people will bring water
for me to pray over and I have to do all sorts of spiritual activities. You
can’t see me in the office, I don’t have an office because I don’t have time
for pleasure, I am always on my leg walking and working.
find out that can ruin the life of a man of God?
thing is that they should be wary of women. Because when I started my ministry,
it was with men, it was the men I asked to be coming to the night vigil but those
who fail to understand or who lack knowledge in the things of God, they will
not understand that women can scatter things in the ministry. Secondly, they
should be very careful with money, the love of money is evil. It is not bad for
you to be rich but to now have the love of money in your heart could be
slightly dangerous. A man of God should not be too conscious about money, that
you must look for money at all cost, it is evil in the sight of God. The third
one is Juju (Ogun) they must stop using Juju to influence God’s
work. They should not use anything Juju; they must run away from it so
that they won’t be destroyed.
|Another side of the church|
if they do small Juju today, tomorrow they want to do a bigger version of the Juju
and that is the beginning of getting addicted to Juju and from there their
calling will be destroyed by the devil. Another one is that they should not
have friends; a genuine man of God does not keep friends. A man of God who has
friends or committee of friends will never be faithful to his call.
|The GDA with Prophet (Dr.) T.A. Jegede after the encounter|
jubilee advice to Nigerians
must be lenient with Government. People talk too much in this country, you see
some people talk on television and such a person could have authority on his
tongue, he is not a Pastor o but when he speaks that his English, what he said will just come to pass. So, this debate
and debate exercise is too much, even when our footballers are performing, they
have not gotten to second half, you see them saying all sorts of things,
casting and binding the team already. So, we must reduce all these confusion,
we must be knowledgeable like the snake and have a peaceful nature like the
dove. This is what the white people use and they are successful. They don’t
reveal their secrets. Look at Boko Haram, the military will come
out and say this, other security forces will come out and say another thing and
the press will publish their strategies. Stop revealing your secrets. God is
secret and anyone that wants to work with God must be secretive. Like President Buhari is now, he must have secret. He must be secretive, not that
they will be monitoring him and be saying all what he is doing here and there,
he ate Eba yesterday in Lagos and he
is going to eat Tuwo tomorrow in
Kano, we don’t need all that. We are not secretive in this nation and that is
why we lost it in many things that we do in this country. We must be careful
and learn to keep secrets.